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BillNolan
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posted May 07, 2003 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BillNolan   Click Here to Email BillNolan        Reply w/Quote
>>>T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents Archives, V2 (May 21st)<<<

You can now add: Shipped early, May 7th
Got my copy today. And if there wasn't a cool Enterprise and the Angel season finale on tonight, I would probably knock down 100-150 pages tonight. Might have to wait a couple of days, given my TV viewing schedule...

- Bill

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Greg F
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posted May 07, 2003 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greg F   Click Here to Email Greg F        Reply w/Quote
I'd like to get that but I'll wait until Overstock (hopefully) offers it.

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted May 07, 2003 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
If the early shipping continues, the "Superman Archives" will show up the week of the August solicitation. I expect that will be the last update on this board as we know it.

I've posted the schedule on Gormuu/dylanfan's board, so if there is any glitch during the board transition, at least it'll be there.

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BP25
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posted May 07, 2003 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BP25   Click Here to Email BP25        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Paulus The Little Gnome:
According to Amazon the Silver Age Titans #1 is published in September.

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Amazon always seems to list the Archives as on sale one month after their comic shop debut because that is when they seem to get them.

If you check the sale date on the Challs Archive at Amazon you will see it is listed as available in August which is one month after the comic shops will get it. So the Titans Archive should follow the same pattern and be available in August.

There was an announced deal between Amazon and Diamond a while back, but the time between on sale date in the comic shops and the Amazon on sale date has remained the same.

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captainswift
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posted May 08, 2003 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for captainswift   Click Here to Email captainswift        Reply w/Quote
A little more Ingram spying: It seems Plastic Man will be the month immediately following Teen Titans.

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Lightning + Chemicals
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posted May 08, 2003 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lightning + Chemicals        Reply w/Quote
Captain Swift ... cracking the code AGAIN!

Thanks for the insight.

Guess Plastic Man 5 makes sense -- if there is a "loose" Gold and Silver rotation:

GA Dark Knight 4
SA Titans 1
GA Plastic Man 5

which would mean the next DC one is likely Silver Age Atom 2....

and the mystery deepens on the unannounced GA #1....

I would expect a non-DC archive in September as well -- any listing on Tor 3 or Elfquest Archives????

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James Friel
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posted May 08, 2003 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
I couldn't say until the news was out, but Bob Wayne told me at WonderCon that there would be a Plastic Man this year (and every year, if he has anything to say about it).

I don't know anything about the mystery GA volume one, though, except that it's not GA Hawkman.

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Lightning + Chemicals
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posted May 08, 2003 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lightning + Chemicals        Reply w/Quote
James,

Thanks for the info re: Mystery GA#1 not being Hawkman -- which had been my guess/wish for many months now.

I guess I can now fall back on the tidbit we heard that this GA#1 would be very popular. My Time Warner cross-brand marketing side now is thinking GA Superboy to tie in with Smallville -- which my 13-year-old daughter is addicted to, and I watched a little of this week. She was clearly annoyed by my comments and insistence that Lana Lang sould have red hair....

P.S. This assumes that they have solved the previously documented GA Superboy production challenge.

P.P.S. However, introduction of a GA Superboy creates Superman archive "spacing" issues. We have a given GA Superman in June, then anticipated GA Superboy 1, Worlds Finest 3, Supergirl 2, and hopefully a start of Silver Age Superman in 2003/2004. Well, there have been a lot of Superman family comics, so I guess they should start to expand the Archives line to accomodate them!

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BP25
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posted May 08, 2003 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BP25   Click Here to Email BP25        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lightning + Chemicals:

I would expect a non-DC archive in September as well -- any listing on Tor 3 or Elfquest Archives????

Amazon.ca has Tor as well as Plastic Man listed as coming out in October which would mean September release dates in the comic shops.

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Lightning + Chemicals
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posted May 08, 2003 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lightning + Chemicals        Reply w/Quote
Now that's intriguing....

The Tor and Plastic Man info is not listed Amazon.com, but is there -- plain as day -- on Amazon.ca

The Canucks are just more nimble -- maybe they have to be looking at the Canadian prices!

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted May 08, 2003 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
There's no reason to think that there will be a "World's Finest Archive" this year. And I don't view Supergirl as overlapping GA Superman/Superboy to any great degree, any more than the Legion or Justice League do. Shoot, in 2001, Justice League was in Feb., Action was in July, Legion in Aug., Supergirl in Oct., and World's Finest in Dec. That's 5 Superman volumes in one year! This year wouldn't be any different with Legion, Justice League, Superman, Supergirl, and Superboy.

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BP25
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posted May 08, 2003 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BP25   Click Here to Email BP25        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by James Friel:
I couldn't say until the news was out, but Bob Wayne told me at WonderCon that there would be a Plastic Man this year (and every year, if he has anything to say about it).

James, did you get any inkling as to whether DC seems keen enough to run the Plastic Man series past the Cole material?

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dylanfan
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posted May 08, 2003 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dylanfan   Click Here to Email dylanfan        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lightning + Chemicals:
I guess I can now fall back on the tidbit we heard that this GA#1 would be very popular.

Did Bob G. say "popular," or did he say it would have "broad appeal?" I guess Superboy would definitely have broad appeal, but so, too, would a Big All-American/All-Star Archives, since it would have a broad variety of characters and creators. Just a thought.....

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James Friel
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posted May 09, 2003 01:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by dylanfan:
Did Bob G. say "popular," or did he say it would have "broad appeal?" I guess Superboy would definitely have broad appeal, but so, too, would a Big All-American/All-Star Archives, since it would have a broad variety of characters and creators. Just a thought.....


That's exactly my thinking. I think Superboy has the edge, and maybe even Sandman, but the compilation strikes me as either a good second or third possibility for the very reason you give.


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James Friel
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posted May 09, 2003 01:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BP25:
James, did you get any inkling as to whether DC seems keen enough to run the Plastic Man series past the Cole material?

All I really got was Bob's own position--he was pretty close with actual information that hasn't been released.
If they do all the Cole material, though, that only leaves about two post-Cole volumes.

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Lee Semmens
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posted May 09, 2003 06:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lee Semmens        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by James Friel:
If they do all the Cole material, though, that only leaves about two post-Cole volumes.

That surprises me.
I somehow had the impression that about a quarter to a third of the original Plastic Man series was NOT by Cole, mainly in the 1950s.
I guess in the last few years Quality must have reprinted much of Cole's work, instead of producing many new stories.

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vze2
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posted May 09, 2003 06:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vze2        Reply w/Quote
I've always been confused by the information regarding Cole. In the past, I've made a couple of attempts to figure this out and stumbled.

A few months ago, someone (I'm sorry I don't remember who) posted a 15 volume map of the Quality Comics run. 13 featured Cole material. In the absence of any better information, I think we have little choice but to rely on this map.

However, I'm not sure if reprints were considered. I just went to the GCD and randomly chose issue 55 of Plastic Man. None of the material is by Cole, but all of it is reprinted.

I didn't know about the GCD during my earlier attempts to figure out when Cole left. This weekend, I'll make another attempt.

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vze2
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posted May 09, 2003 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vze2        Reply w/Quote
Just a quick update. The last new (non-Cole) Plastic Man story from Quality was in issue 52 (Feb 1955). All of the other stories in this issue are reprints. I did find a 1 page Woozy story later on. Plastic Man's last Quality issue was 64 (Nov 1956).

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vze2
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posted May 09, 2003 07:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vze2        Reply w/Quote
One more quick update.

Plastic Man 44 was all reprints. 45 contained 2 new Plastic Man stories. Issues 46-52 contained only 1 new Plastic Man story. I think there were a couple short Woozy stories as well in 46-52.

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posted May 09, 2003 07:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vze2        Reply w/Quote
The last quick update.

Plastic Man 26 (Nov 1950) was the last Cole issue, and it was all-Cole. Plastic Man 27-43 was all-new, non-Cole. That seems to be more than 2 Archive volumes of non-Cole to me. I suspect that the original map included the Cole reprints in later issues, but I'm just guessing.

I'll try to give a more complete story later.

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posted May 09, 2003 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dylanfan   Click Here to Email dylanfan        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by James Friel:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dylanfan:
[b] Did Bob G. say "popular," or did he say it would have "broad appeal?" I guess Superboy would definitely have broad appeal, but so, too, would a Big All-American/All-Star Archives, since it would have a broad variety of characters and creators. Just a thought.....


That's exactly my thinking. I think Superboy has the edge, and maybe even Sandman, but the compilation strikes me as either a good second or third possibility for the very reason you give.

[/B][/QUOTE]

I do not want to get my hopes up, but the more I think about an Big All-American/All-Star compilation, the more I like it. It would bust down the door for anthologies in the DC Archives, fill in the gaps of the All-Star Comics series, and it would be a currently unrealized pleasure (for me at least) to read this kind of comic. All those characters and creators, a wide variety of stories. Yep, this one sounds good to me!

I definitely wouldn't mind a Supergirl 2, or a Superboy 1, but this is the 256 pager I've made up my mind I want to see most.

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posted May 09, 2003 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for chris_ccl   Click Here to Email chris_ccl        Reply w/Quote
NecessaryImpurity,
Please shoot me an email:
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I have a question for you.
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vze2
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posted May 09, 2003 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vze2        Reply w/Quote
The last Plastic Man story in Police Comics was in issue 102. It wasn't by Cole, but it was published one month before Plastic Man 26, the last issue with new Cole material. So we can ignore Police Comics.

I added up the page counts for the remaining Plastic Man issues (27-54), skipping the reprints. Then I worked my way backwards to count the number of non-Cole volumes using total page counts in the neighborhood of 200.

I get three solid volumes of non-Cole material + about 1/3 or 1/2 of another volume. 240 page volumes would probably still give us 3 non-Cole volumes.

I might work on this some more, but it will be a while.

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vze2
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posted May 09, 2003 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vze2        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by dylanfan:
an Big All-American/All-Star compilation...would bust down the door for anthologies in the DC Archives[/B]

I agree that it would bust down the door, but I think that a lot of people think this door is stronger than it really is.

Can you blame DC for reprinting 15 Superman stories instead of 4 Superman stories and a bunch of backups?

What about Detective? Batman wouldn't show up until volume 7.

What about the later Flash and Green Lantern stories that many of us consider the best? We would almost certainly never see them if every story in Flash Comics and All-American were being Archived.

Comic Cavalcade is the only super-hero anthology that I think really ought to be done as an anthology in a world with limited resources, and I think it will be Archived as an anthology.

So while I agree that there is a bias against anthologies, I think DC has been making the right choices with the series that have been Archived already.

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posted May 09, 2003 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BP25   Click Here to Email BP25        Reply w/Quote
So, if Sept is Plastic Man and Tor, then that leaves October, November and December left for the year. Books that will ship in those months are Atom 2, Spirit 12, THUNDER AGENTS 3,mystery SA and mystery GA ,All Star 9 an Elfquest volume (?).

If this is what is missing then that would mean 7 vols for 14 weeks or 1 each 2 weeks. We have been told that THUNDER Agents is a Dec release and a Spirit Archive should also be due in December, if the book ships every 3 months. This leaves Atom 2 and the 2 mystery vols All star 9 plus Elfquest for the other 5 biweekly slots.My guess would be SA,GA, elfquest,SA ,GA .

For example if the mystery SA is Superboy and the SA is Supergirl, then they would be at either end of the string to provide time between these two Superman family books.

Any thought on the above?

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